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murat · Jul 27, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixdartbart

. tegrof; It's called FREEDOM something that a diluted socialist Canadian could never understand.

Yep, why don't you tell that to the thousands of blacks who secretly came to Canada to escape slavery in the US.

We Canadians do know thing or two about freedom.

So learn your history before you badmouth Canada.

Murat ...

Anya · Jul 28, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

ok ... this is getting VERY off topic.

I agree that there should be an ingame way to report people who are obviously scamming, it would help eleviate a lot of problems.

Aniewiel · Jul 28, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Thank you, Anya, for getting this back on track. I for one very much appreciate it.

Stay on topic, everyone. If there's a philosophical disagreement that isn't pertinent to the conversation, please take it to PMs.

Mavrik · Jul 28, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

(Waves his canadian flag proudly)

Anyway yes scammers need to be punished. My first time getting a run to Droknar, I waited and "LFG, runner to Droknar" for awhile and finally got invited into a group by a guy who was asking 1.5k for the trip. I told him I could only afford 500g which was true. Besides it all seemed a little fishy and I was being cautious. Of course as soon as we loaded into the game outside Beacon's Perch... he was gone. Luckly for me but unfortunatly for the others... I lost 500g while they lost 1.5k

My guild leader was on the next day and ran me for free... WHEE!!!

Anyway after seeing how hard the run was... offer to pay upon arrival, anyone who appreciates the run will pay and not scam simply because of how happy they should be someone could run them there...

Sayshina · Jul 28, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixdartbart

. tegrof; It's called FREEDOM something that a diluted socialist Canadian could never understand. [note to American bashing Canadians] The only reason your country has not been invaded and quite easily conquered is that you are LUCKY enough to be located next to the USA.. Think about that before you take shots at my country... If you can read this message thank a teacher. If you can read this message in english thank a soldier!!!

Please, please, learn some history. I say this as a former soldier and lifelong history buff. Out of the 2 countries you speak of, the only one to be invaded is NOT Canada. The idiotic notion that Canada would be conquered were it not for us on their border is just silly. How is it possible that Australia and N.Z. have managed to stay free, a lot more free than we are these days? On the other hand, would you really clasify Mexico as "free"? What do you think would happen if they elected a Comunist government? How free can they be if they have to live in fear of the U.S. invading them?

Think that can't happen? Before President Clinton, for the last hundred years, there was not a single 4 year period that did not have the U.S. invading some latin american country.

One of the congressional republican leaders Rick Santorum recently tried to blame the priest molestation scandals on "liberal Boston", as if liberals were on record as aproving of child molesters, and as if the priests needed some republicans to tell them molesting children was wrong and couldn't figure that one out for themselves. The most horific part of his tirade is that not a single republican told him to shut up.

We have Ann Coulter claiming on national television that being a liberal is treason, we have Karl Rove commiting crimes (and I for one consider exposing a cia agents identity to punish her husband to be true treason) and the president backing away from his promise to fire anyone was found to be responsible. We have war crimes commited by this administration, IN OUR NAMES.

If you havn't actualy been anywhere, if you have no idea how much more or less free we are compared to the rest of the world, could you possibly wait until you have a bit more experience and knowledge before you spout off?

Please? Service to your country would also be nice, and would set you apart from the vast majority of republicans, who talk the talk but almost never walk the walk.

redsman1 · Jul 28, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

**sayshina==i see some years in between 73 and 81(more than the 4 you speak of) and i also see some clinton years in there as well. perhaps you should take your own advice and get some knowledge before spouting off. also interested in these war crimes you speak of? please offer specifics and not generalities, any history buff should know better**

Guatemala 1966-67 Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels
Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
El Salvador 1981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash; long-term result: 75,000 murdered and destruction of popular movement
Nicaragua 1981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution; result: 50,000 murdered
Honduras 1982-90 Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders
Grenada 1983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution
Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region
Panama 1989 Troops, bombing Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed
Haiti 1994-95 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup
Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Haiti 2004- Troops Removal of democratically elected President Aristide; troops occupy country

Sources:

Blum, William. Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventionism Since World War II. Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995.

Ege & Makhijani. "180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps" (History Division), Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982). Foreign Affairs Division, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress.

Richard Grimmet, Instances of Use of Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2001. CRS Report for Congress, 2002.

Grossman, Zoltan. Over a Century of U.S. Military Interventions. Self-published, revised Jan. 1, 1995.

Sklar, Holly. "Who's Who: Invading 'Our' Hemisphere 1831-," Z Magazine (Feb. 1990).

U.S. Congress, Committee on Foreign Affairs' Report. Background Information on the Use of United States Armed Forces in Foreign Countries. Washington, D.C.: 91st Congress, 2nd Session, 1970.

Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. New York: Perennial Library, Harper & Row, 1980.

Also see Zoltan Grossman, From Wounded Knee to Iraq (A Chronology of U.S. Imperialism)

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SholvahTealc · Jul 28, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

If a person is selling Customized weapons and knows that another character cannot use them, it's an attempted Con. If the other person does not know they can't use it, it's liekly a successful con.

Federal and State laws have upheld that if a person is selling a product or service with a false pretense, it is ILLEGAL. Courts have upheld that just because the person didn't know it wasn't beneficial or why, does NOT take any blame away from the Con Artist.

Read that twice if you responded on this thread with, "he should have known."

Let's say you own a customized 44 Magnum. You go out and buy yourself an Uzi. If you advertise your magnum and don't tell potential buyers they won't be able to use it, that would be illegal. You would have to have a "For Collectors only" or "for Display Only" or "For salvage only"

Algren Cole · Jul 28, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by SholvahTealc

If a person is selling Customized weapons and knows that another character cannot use them, it's an attempted Con. If the other person does not know they can't use it, it's liekly a successful con.

Federal and State laws have upheld that if a person is selling a product or service with a false pretense, it is ILLEGAL. Courts have upheld that just because the person didn't know it wasn't beneficial or why, does NOT take any blame away from the Con Artist.

Read that twice if you responded on this thread with, "he should have known."

Let's say you own a customized 44 Magnum. You go out and buy yourself an Uzi. If you advertise your magnum and don't tell potential buyers they won't be able to use it, that would be illegal. You would have to have a "For Collectors only" or "for Display Only" or "For salvage only"

it's illegal for you to buy the Uzi....

and wtf are you ranting about? this is a game....and therefore not governed by the particular laws of a single real world government.

SholvahTealc · Jul 28, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I'm not ranting. I'm pointing out that the argument that the buyer was just an idiot and gets what he/she deserved has never been and never will be valid. It is STILL the con artist that is to blame.

Paine · Jul 28, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

con032 and Mark64uk
It's your own fault for beeing scammed. NCSoft & Arenanet cannot restore lost items under any substances.

Regarding your Droknar run;

1. The game is ment to be played correct, not just rushing ppl.
2. If he/she says that he needs 6k for rushing you from to Droknar's Forge, don't trust them unless you know them. If it's your friend, tell him/her that you'll give him/her 3000 gold 2/4 of the way and the rest when you arrive.
3. If you ask me, I've never been rushed to Droknar before.
4. Play the game as it was ment to be played.
5. Good luck and have fun!

Olfin Bedwere · Jul 28, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I disagree on running. Although I`ve never been run anywhere because I like playing the game. people have been getting run from one place to another since the first E3. If Anet didn`t want it in game, they`ve had ample time to make adjustments. Maybe it`s something they don`t want but don`t see it as that big a distraction from game play.

As I see it, I think of someone who wants to be run like a pioneer. Pioneers hired others to take them across mountains and through ruff terrain that they wouldn`t have gotten through on their own or would of had great difficulty getting through. Sometimes they got in the middle of the wilderness and their guides turned their guns on them and took their gold. So frankly if you want to be run, get run. I don`t worry about it as it doesn`t effect my game play in the least.

Nocere Moriari · May 11, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Personally i didnt use the service of runners for the first of my toons, i finished the game myself, with the help of friends and newly made friends along the way. By the time i got started with the third toon, finishing the game wasn't that important any more, i was more intrested in GvG, unlocking items, runes etc. so for the third and forth i did use runners, and all of them have been " running for tips" so even told me not to worry about it. So in regards of the acts of inscrupable people..... i dont agree with get rich quick gimics, money pyramids and such............ but there will always be Fox looking for a Chicken...........so just be carefull. And like in the movies just becuase the bad guy has been shot and is on the floor, u dont go and turn him over... u unload your gun in him, reload and unload the gun again.
so summing it up " be careful"

Hockster · May 11, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Couldn't find an older thread to resurrect?

Nocere Moriari · May 11, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

No not really, i looked and like this one.

Jul 28, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17	#27
SholvahTealc Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Ka-Tet of Nineteen Profession: W/Mo	Getting back on topic... If a person is selling Customized weapons and knows that another character cannot use them, it's an attempted Con. If the other person does not know they can't use it, it's liekly a successful con. Federal and State laws have upheld that if a person is selling a product or service with a false pretense, it is ILLEGAL. Courts have upheld that just because the person didn't know it wasn't beneficial or why, does NOT take any blame away from the Con Artist. Read that twice if you responded on this thread with, "he should have known." Let's say you own a customized 44 Magnum. You go out and buy yourself an Uzi. If you advertise your magnum and don't tell potential buyers they won't be able to use it, that would be illegal. You would have to have a "For Collectors only" or "for Display Only" or "For salvage only"

Jul 28, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#22
Anya Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Michigan, USA Guild: A F O Profession: E/R	ok ... this is getting VERY off topic. I agree that there should be an ingame way to report people who are obviously scamming, it would help eleviate a lot of problems.

Jul 28, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#23
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	Thank you, Anya, for getting this back on track. I for one very much appreciate it. Stay on topic, everyone. If there's a philosophical disagreement that isn't pertinent to the conversation, please take it to PMs.

Jul 28, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59	#24
Mavrik Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alaska	(Waves his canadian flag proudly) Anyway yes scammers need to be punished. My first time getting a run to Droknar, I waited and "LFG, runner to Droknar" for awhile and finally got invited into a group by a guy who was asking 1.5k for the trip. I told him I could only afford 500g which was true. Besides it all seemed a little fishy and I was being cautious. Of course as soon as we loaded into the game outside Beacon's Perch... he was gone. Luckly for me but unfortunatly for the others... I lost 500g while they lost 1.5k My guild leader was on the next day and ran me for free... WHEE!!! Anyway after seeing how hard the run was... offer to pay upon arrival, anyone who appreciates the run will pay and not scam simply because of how happy they should be someone could run them there...

Jul 28, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36	#26
redsman1 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	sayshina==i see some years in between 73 and 81(more than the 4 you speak of) and i also see some clinton years in there as well. perhaps you should take your own advice and get some knowledge before spouting off. also interested in these war crimes you speak of? please offer specifics and not generalities, any history buff should know better Guatemala 1966-67 Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president El Salvador 1981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash; long-term result: 75,000 murdered and destruction of popular movement Nicaragua 1981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution; result: 50,000 murdered Honduras 1982-90 Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders Grenada 1983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region Panama 1989 Troops, bombing Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed Haiti 1994-95 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez Haiti 2004- Troops Removal of democratically elected President Aristide; troops occupy country Sources: Blum, William. Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventionism Since World War II. Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995. Ege & Makhijani. "180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps" (History Division), Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982). Foreign Affairs Division, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress. Richard Grimmet, Instances of Use of Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2001. CRS Report for Congress, 2002. Grossman, Zoltan. Over a Century of U.S. Military Interventions. Self-published, revised Jan. 1, 1995. Sklar, Holly. "Who's Who: Invading 'Our' Hemisphere 1831-," Z Magazine (Feb. 1990). U.S. Congress, Committee on Foreign Affairs' Report. Background Information on the Use of United States Armed Forces in Foreign Countries. Washington, D.C.: 91st Congress, 2nd Session, 1970. Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. New York: Perennial Library, Harper & Row, 1980. Also see Zoltan Grossman, From Wounded Knee to Iraq (A Chronology of U.S. Imperialism) .

Jul 28, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#29
SholvahTealc Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Ka-Tet of Nineteen Profession: W/Mo	I'm not ranting. I'm pointing out that the argument that the buyer was just an idiot and gets what he/she deserved has never been and never will be valid. It is STILL the con artist that is to blame.

Jul 28, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39	#30
Paine Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Clan Plus [Plus]	con032 and Mark64uk It's your own fault for beeing scammed. NCSoft & Arenanet cannot restore lost items under any substances. Regarding your Droknar run; 1. The game is ment to be played correct, not just rushing ppl. 2. If he/she says that he needs 6k for rushing you from to Droknar's Forge, don't trust them unless you know them. If it's your friend, tell him/her that you'll give him/her 3000 gold 2/4 of the way and the rest when you arrive. 3. If you ask me, I've never been rushed to Droknar before. 4. Play the game as it was ment to be played. 5. Good luck and have fun!

Jul 28, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#31
Olfin Bedwere Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Profession: W/Mo	I disagree on running. Although I`ve never been run anywhere because I like playing the game. people have been getting run from one place to another since the first E3. If Anet didn`t want it in game, they`ve had ample time to make adjustments. Maybe it`s something they don`t want but don`t see it as that big a distraction from game play. As I see it, I think of someone who wants to be run like a pioneer. Pioneers hired others to take them across mountains and through ruff terrain that they wouldn`t have gotten through on their own or would of had great difficulty getting through. Sometimes they got in the middle of the wilderness and their guides turned their guns on them and took their gold. So frankly if you want to be run, get run. I don`t worry about it as it doesn`t effect my game play in the least.

May 11, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58	#32
Nocere Moriari Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bolivia Guild: Ancient of Days Profession: N/R	Personally i didnt use the service of runners for the first of my toons, i finished the game myself, with the help of friends and newly made friends along the way. By the time i got started with the third toon, finishing the game wasn't that important any more, i was more intrested in GvG, unlocking items, runes etc. so for the third and forth i did use runners, and all of them have been " running for tips" so even told me not to worry about it. So in regards of the acts of inscrupable people..... i dont agree with get rich quick gimics, money pyramids and such............ but there will always be Fox looking for a Chicken...........so just be carefull. And like in the movies just becuase the bad guy has been shot and is on the floor, u dont go and turn him over... u unload your gun in him, reload and unload the gun again. so summing it up " be careful"

May 11, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21	#33
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	Couldn't find an older thread to resurrect?

May 11, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32	#34
Nocere Moriari Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bolivia Guild: Ancient of Days Profession: N/R	No not really, i looked and like this one.